Gays making headway on the marriage front...

[evangelicalhumanist]

Well, it is delightful to be able to report that 6 times in Canada since 1926 governments have been defeated on "no confidence" votes. (1926, Arthur Meighen; 1958, John Diefenbaker; 1963, John Diefenbaker; 1975, Pierre Trudeau; 1979, Joe Clark; 2005, Paul Martin).

I don't know, however, that I would go quite so far as to try to alter the nomination process to prevent previous incumbents from running again. That would seem to me to be a pretty serious violation of grass-roots politics.

But Baruch, I do sincerely wish I could tell you that we don't do all those same things here that you do there (debate things that don't need any debate, change things that don't need to change, and ignore all the things worth debating and fail to change any of the things that need to change!) We do! But isn't that in the very nature of a society in which real people are encouraged (however maladroitly) to participate in the running of their own lives?

[Baruch]

Unfortunately we can see the failure of Athens ... as prologue. We are Sparta!

Shalom

[evangelicalhumanist]

And perhaps you are saying something important (and then again -- it's been done before -- perhaps not ) It may very well be that it isn't global warming, or any of the other usual suspects, that will eventually doom the human species to yet another of the endless extinctions of this planet. Perhaps our ability to actually think for ourselves (at least when not "moving with the herd") is the adaptation that dooms us.

[Baruch]

Well lets hope not to completely nullify Descartes. Really ... "I think, therefore I am extinct" ... isn't even a good rhyme.

I was making fun of the homo-erotic live-acting/animation movie of a few years ago ... among other things. My mind is with Athens, but my heart is with Sparta.

Shalom

[evangelicalhumanist]

Now that D.C. is the sixth jurisdiction in the U.S. which permits and recognizes same-sex marriage, I wonder how long it will be before the rest of the nation finally gives in?

[Baruch]

From Lincoln to Woodrow Wilson, DC was not segregated. But Wilson changed that. It took another 50 years after that to defeat segregation nation-wide.

Shalom

[Kurt]

Now that D.C. is the sixth jurisdiction in the U.S. which permits and recognizes same-sex marriage, I wonder how long it will be before the rest of the nation finally gives in?

If times get economically harder in the US, it could take a while 'cuz folks in hard times find it harder to give up prejudices than they do when they're flush. Besides, prejudice against homosexuality is the last remaining overt prejudice that is socially acceptable in the US because it has such strong backing from "moral authorities" like the leadership of mainstream Christian denominations. As such, it's a very precious thing to those who need to feel that they are inherently superior to others even (or especially) when those others are smarter, more productive, more interesting, better educated, kinder, better-looking, better-dressed, and more talented than they are. (Did I overstate the case a bit? Oh well.)

Kurt

[Baruch]

Not all gay men are Leonardo, maybe not even EH

Shalom

[evangelicalhumanist]

Not all gay men are Leonardo, maybe not even EH

Shalom

You're partly right ...

[Baruch]

So you admitting to being part Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle?

Shalom